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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back to calling all beings i'm

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your host dj i've been wanting to get

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this brother on since december of 2021

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when i first heard him on with andy

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chilling like mcgrillen but before we

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get to that i gotta introduce the cab

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family because we got two of the new

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members on tonight and they're gonna

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bring in

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but first we got to go to the money man

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whose hair

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you know shane's not here so you guys

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think i'm gonna but nathan's hair looks

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great good evening nathan hey how's it

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going

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good how are you did you bring the pipe

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tonight i did uh pipe is here

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okay because dr master's gonna wanna see

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some of that yeah you know y'all both

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academia you know type brothers and

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let's let's bring on uh our guest host

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tonight from the secret knowledge

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miss allison how's it going girlfriend

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hello

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but i'm here only half a secret

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knowledge is here shane i wish you were

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here brother uh i really do i can't wait

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to talk to you i can't wait to talk

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about the project that they alluded to

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on text today yeah i know nothing about

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yeah he's recording for it right now

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super secretive i love it yes and our

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newest member

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of the calling all being show

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party people put those hands together

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for stephanie at uap experience

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thank you glad to be here with you guys

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yes ma'am good to be with us we so

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excited with the energy and you know

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what everybody's hair looks great

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uh exactly except

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anyway so all right so let's talk about

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uh we're gonna

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let's talk about this thank you nathan

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nathan's feeling me man he's an empath

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like me all right

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so i i've been dying to have this

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gentleman on right here he's a professor

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of anthropology at montana tech okay and

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what i'm trying to say is if you got the

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money he got the time and if you don't

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have the money he still has the time

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party people put those hands together

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for dr

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hello welcome to the show good to have

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you with us thanks yeah that was quite

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the introduction

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yeah how can you be pumped to talk some

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time travel after that that was great

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still working on the pyrotechnics we're

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going to get that

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michael jackson we don't want you jerry

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curl going on fire any of that so we got

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to be careful of that but man uh dr

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masters i heard you on

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with andy mcgrillen and i messaged him

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straight away when i heard that last

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year i really really like

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the fact of the way that you are able to

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put these very complex topics into

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layman's terms that like meatheads like

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myself can understand

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uh and so we're really really happy to

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yeah thanks are you talking about um

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that ufo podcast yes sir yeah okay i

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didn't know andy's last name that that's

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good to know yeah when he comes on we

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mcgrillen so we call that episode

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chilling with mcgrillen because we have

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lot and we have the academics we have

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professorial individuals like yourself

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basically brand new members of calling

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all beings as two of our members uh deb

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uh and kevin is still working uh both

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so we couldn't have them on but thank

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god we have some new members so let me

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introduce you to allison up top she has

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a show called the secret knowledge

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oh cool

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that that explains the tsk i guess

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got it good it's an acronym and she was

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also taught in college like yourself uh

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stephanie down below from the aviation

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industry like myself

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and she's our newest member of cab

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awesome yeah my my family owned and

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we're gonna get to it but right now i

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gotta turn it over to the money man so

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let me give you over to the capable

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hands of my co-host the brother from

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another my co-creator of this show money

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nathan thanks dj dr master great to have

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you with us uh for those of folks who

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are listening uh either now or later

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the book that you've written that

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a lot of folks are familiar with has

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future human hypothesis um before we get

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into the questions i wanted to say thank

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you for your willingness to to research

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this to publish on this uh to pursue

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this as a curiosity um and from what i

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has received a warm welcome in in

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academia and that's not nice to hear

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what uh you know for you in particular

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for those who may not be as familiar

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like what for you is uh kind of

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compelling about the future human

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hypothesis when it comes to ufos and i

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the ufo phenomenon um and and yeah i

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centered on these long-term evolutionary

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in uh in the hominin lineage and looking

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different case studies where

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experiencers describe uh

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really just humans i mean the ones they

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look exactly like us they speak

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vocally they um you know they still have

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hair and so i don't know it kind of made

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ancestry is what i call it so the ones

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characteristics and other traits so um

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over the course of uh the last hundred

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years five different continents and and

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other models as well the

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model can truly capture all of the

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variation but i do think this one adds

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uh quite quite a bit to the conversation

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as far as um explaining who these beans

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to that question uh that just my own

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curiosity so my understanding and i have

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this could be i could have this totally

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environmental factors and genetic

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long-term trends we've seen throughout

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the last six to eight million years of

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um the bigger rounder heads neurocranial

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foot um they're still tetrapods they

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still have four limbs which is a trait

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that goes back almost 400 million years

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so yeah there's a lot of things that are

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are consistent but obviously they do

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look different and yeah i try to avoid

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speculating about what might happen

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between now and then to cause us to look

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like that there's certainly a number of

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things that could with natural selection

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as you mentioned but also the fact that

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we're evolving to cultural environments

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driver in human evolution specifically

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scholarly paper about a hypothesis

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related to why we have such poor vision

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sexual selection and also our

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that all the people that could see well

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they left all of the people with poor

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vision at home to have sex with all the

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women that were left back there with

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them so we contributed more of these

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negative genes um just as a result of

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some people dying with good vision

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staying back that had poor vision and

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cultural things involved

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there's also the process of

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self-domestication which has been

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occurring over the last 12 000 years

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since the origins of agriculture mostly

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and that's caused a number of

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characteristics i talk in the book about

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cranial facial feminization and other

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sort of shifts toward

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uh more

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gray alien-like traits to be honest i

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mean

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lack of pigmentation is a characteristic

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of domestication across animals so yeah

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there's a number of things i think

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that'll contribute to it

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but i try not to speculate too much

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about you know what's going to happen

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we're going to live in space underground

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anything like that i think it'll just

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kind of happen organically um but yeah i

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guess looking back on it we'll know but

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looking forward there's there's really

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no way to know yet right

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yeah this is an interesting thing about

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why we look the way we do because my

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wife has actually asked me the same

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question why i look like this and that's

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when i usually go you know i'm gonna go

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run and do some push-ups and sit-ups so

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i i don't have an answer for her but you

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know we'll talk about that after the

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show doctor but anyway we're going to

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pass you over to uh our experiencer

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queen miss stephanie

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cool thank you um well

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to give you a quick synopsis so about

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1985 three other family members and i

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all experienced a dark triangle craft

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that hovered and essentially followed

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our vehicle

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we had stopped

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backed up and it mimicked us just the

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same as a say tesla would have that same

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similar cognitive type behavior so which

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is extremely interesting but my mom she

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was the vice president of our aerospace

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company she could recognize the fact

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immediately that this was something that

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was not of this earth and us as children

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could recognize it as well because i

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mean we were walking around having like

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3d images of dc tens sitting on the

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table so yeah we children knew that you

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know this was

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following us and it was not from here

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now

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she ended up

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basically thinking that she scared the

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object away we darted off she called

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march air force base and uh

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actually did report it to the proper

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authorities and it was never followed up

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on it's been haunting me my entire life

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you know and it just kind of started

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weighing on me the past few years

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so my question for you is

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there's a potential for me to dive into

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going into regression

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and

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it's it's a something to really ponder

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and think about because a lot of people

352
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are fearful of what could come through

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this regression

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and my question for you is

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would regression intertwine with

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by way of say time travel

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for a human would that be some form of

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time travel where you actually do go

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back and you recall

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items that had occurred that you would i

361
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have no idea that had happened would

362
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that be some form of time travel

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um not in a strict sense no not in a

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physical sense at least because you're

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you're accessing memories that were

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formed they just aren't consciously

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available to you

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um so i if you i mean even like i have

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uh precognition future memories and and

370
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while it feels like time travel

371
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in the block universe it's it's still

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not i mean that those moments are there

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in the future i just haven't lived them

374
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yet i for some reason dream of them and

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have

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very um vivid understandings of those

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moments um not just seeing the things

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with the smells and who i'm with and

379
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just life situations it's really weird

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um

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but still it's it's still an aspect of

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your memory whether it be the mind or

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the brain

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um but i i do think i have a question

385
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for you did you have missing time

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associated with that or

387
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there is potential that that had

388
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happened because when we had left the it

389
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was a ranch when we left the ranch we

390
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noticed the object we went about a city

391
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block without i don't recall that

392
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and then the object appeared again in a

393
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ravine we were along a riverbed so there

394
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is potential that that could be missing

395
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time or it could have very well been

396
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that i was a little girl and i you know

397
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you have spotty memories yeah definitely

398
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you know but there were

399
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three of us that are alive and i mean my

400
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sister works for a software company

401
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we've all got our heads on straight it's

402
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something that i'm you know really

403
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trying to dig deeper down and you know

404
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talk to other experiencers about and

405
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find out information so we can get some

406
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answers yeah i would definitely

407
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recommend doing a regression session

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with a accredited

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individual um they they seem to be from

410
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the research i've done really helpful i

411
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mean even if even if nothing happened at

412
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least you know then

413
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and uh you can kind of

414
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assess it for what it was but

415
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um yeah the next book i'm working on

416
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which i guess i technically just

417
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finished i sent it to be formatted this

418
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morning i know thank god that's why i

419
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look so exhausted probably

420
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congratulations

421
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um

422
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yeah well

423
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[Laughter]

424
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still trying to be determined um yeah so

425
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a lot of the the cases i came across

426
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were i mean like terry lovelace for

427
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instance he was taken in the triangular

428
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craft

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um jerry wills was another one and and

430
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what seems to be the pattern that

431
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emerges from those is that these

432
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triangular craft

433
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um people commonly report

434
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um

435
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people terry lovelace describes seeing a

436
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whole line of people being stripped

437
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naked taken into these rooms and he was

438
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subjected to sperm extractions and a lot

439
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:44,880
of people described egg extractions and

440
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:46,800
fetal extractions too

441
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um so i i

442
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sort of jocularly refer to these as a

443
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floating fertility facility because they

444
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seem to be very much centered on

445
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reproduction and

446
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,519
i hate the word hybrids and

447
00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:01,920
hybridization but i don't have a better

448
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:03,120
word right now

449
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um so yeah i mean if has your family

450
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:09,120
experienced um any any sort of other

451
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things related to fertility or

452
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:14,160
uh yeah and you know i did have that

453
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question also in the back of my mind is

454
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did the movement that my mom performed

455
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did it scare this object away because

456
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she turned off her headlights in trying

457
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to like

458
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conceal our car it was very dark so she

459
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my mom is a smart woman and so she

460
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wasn't just kind of like going to

461
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,360
beeline away she she actually did stop

462
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the vehicle turn off the headlights try

463
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to you know almost hide

464
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and um you know the way that it did

465
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mimic our movements i wonder you know

466
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did this object have other

467
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you know reasons to be there you know

468
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and you know it's concerning to me and

469
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that's another reason why i want to find

470
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out these answers but as far as

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reproductive um you know

472
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you know my mom did have a miscarriage

473
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as her first she this was

474
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previous though as far as my sister and

475
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i um i yes i i have had one miscarriage

476
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recently and you know i hadn't been

477
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trying before it was my first and uh you

478
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know i'm going to be trying again so you

479
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know

480
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hopefully that will be okay but i have

481
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heard that trend also yes yeah yeah it

482
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is it is really common um

483
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you know and that's it's kind of a weird

484
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thing about the phenomenon uh

485
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just i i don't know like how how you can

486
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justify doing things to people

487
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that

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seemingly are very traumatic i mean with

489
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that said in a lot of these cases a lot

490
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of people do

491
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kind of come to grips with what's

492
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happened to them and even

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recognize that they're they're part of a

494
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larger thing and and embrace that i

495
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guess and and even the the dr edgar

496
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mitchell free study showed that when

497
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people have one experience and

498
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especially with the beings that are less

499
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human-like it's very traumatic for them

500
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but with repeated experiences they they

501
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come to embrace it and start longing for

502
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more interaction in fact whitley

503
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strieber talks about that

504
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in this book supernatural

505
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um so yeah i don't know it's it's it's

506
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hard there's a lot of ethics questions

507
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especially when you start talking about

508
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people's bodies and

509
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and reproduction and making babies

510
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taking fetuses it's it's all some pretty

511
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,480
crazy stuff i mean it's wild

512
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lou elizondo talks about it from a

513
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criminal aspect you know you're talking

514
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about kidnapping you know that i mean

515
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personally i mean you know personally

516
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during my abduction experience i offer

517
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genetic material and they telepathically

518
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,440
said no thank you i was a little

519
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offended i'm not

520
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:46,960
you know i would be too yeah i mean i

521
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,360
think you're a nice looking fella yeah i

522
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was nathan you hopefully you could talk

523
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to me about this after because yeah we

524
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can we can get into it

525
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,640
uh but let me but uh college

526
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,559
anthropology let me pass you over to the

527
00:20:02,090 --> 00:20:00,480
creative writing department up top and

528
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:02,100
miss allison hey

529
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[Applause]

530
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yeah so so nice to speak with you i'm

531
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really interested in how people

532
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formulate their belief systems

533
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and i know from your interviews one of

534
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your first introduction to to this

535
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,320
material was being eight years old and

536
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hearing your father recount the story of

537
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seeing the unidentified flying object

538
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:24,720
and i know that you as a university

539
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,440
instructor as nathan said earlier

540
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:29,679
because of your publication record you

541
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,080
haven't really been in the hot seat by

542
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,559
delving into this particular topic but i

543
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,720
kind of like to know what

544
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,720
happened in that between space and

545
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,400
between your father having that

546
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:42,799
experience and then you

547
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:45,600
going so far into this material

548
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,000
how did i mean were you sold at eight

549
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,640
years old and believing your father that

550
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:53,520
the ufos were likely aliens and then you

551
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:56,080
know you decided or then your research

552
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:57,520
showed that it might actually be future

553
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,960
humans like were you sold from that

554
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,720
point on or

555
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,799
has there been some other progression

556
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:04,960
that has led you to formulating these

557
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,320
ideas or delving into the material

558
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:11,120
yeah no i mean his experience was

559
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:12,159
actually

560
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somewhat benign as far as this process

561
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,280
goes because really

562
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,280
i i remember hearing about it and

563
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,360
thinking oh that's interesting i didn't

564
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:24,159
know ufos were a thing and then what

565
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,000
really uh inspired me to pursue this was

566
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,559
seeing whitley strieber's book up on the

567
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:32,960
shelf um of the living room because it

568
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:34,159
was

569
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,679
when he bought that book and for some

570
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:39,840
reason had it facing out into the living

571
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,200
room um

572
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,039
and that's really when when i started

573
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:45,280
thinking about this in the context of

574
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:47,840
human evolution just noticing off the

575
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,799
bat how similar we are to you're also

576
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,400
eight years old at this point you're

577
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,679
eight years old when you're pulling that

578
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,039
down off the shelf

579
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:57,440
yeah yeah it was and what's funny is i

580
00:22:02,549 --> 00:21:59,280
was just uh hanging out with whitley

581
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,559
strieber last month in houston and i had

582
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:04,880
him sign that book and i've actually got

583
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,280
the cover of it up here on my shelf now

584
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,760
because it was such a an inspirational

585
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:11,760
moment and i've talked to him on his

586
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:14,559
show before and he knows the story and

587
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,400
um but yeah i know that's when that's

588
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,480
when it i sort of had this sort of

589
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:20,720
question in my mind like well could they

590
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:23,840
just be us um are we related somehow is

591
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:26,080
there a phylogenetic relationship there

592
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,799
so

593
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,240
yeah i mean it was always in the back of

594
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,360
my mind and you could argue that i went

595
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,360
to college to

596
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:36,080
research that more uh specifically

597
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,280
starting out in physics and then

598
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:39,360
switching to anthropology

599
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:42,400
late in my sophomore early junior year

600
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,120
so

601
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,360
you know i didn't just do those things

602
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,520
because of this i'm still interested in

603
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,360
anthropology and human evolution has

604
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,360
always been interesting to me in

605
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:53,919
archaeology paleoanthropology forensics

606
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,880
all the different subfields um but but

607
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,640
it was definitely something i wanted to

608
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,400
do one of them and you know coming back

609
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,320
to precognition maybe i just had a

610
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,799
memory of doing what we're doing

611
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,799
right now that happened to be projected

612
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,360
back to the eight-year-old version of me

613
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,840
in that moment in time um in this sort

614
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,000
of self-consistent loop of cause and

615
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,880
effect so i don't know i mean it's it's

616
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:19,440
kind of been on my radar since i was

617
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,200
eight but his his actual encounter was a

618
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,360
very small part of it i would say but

619
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,120
you went into college with your belief

620
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:28,559
system firm

621
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:31,679
that it's either aliens or future humans

622
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:34,559
no not at all no not at all in fact it's

623
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,880
still not a firm belief system i mean i

624
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,640
i don't really even think of it in the

625
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,120
context of belief i think belief is for

626
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:46,000
things that can't really be understood

627
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:47,520
uh i see this as more of an

628
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,559
evidence-based approach to a question um

629
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:52,880
using mostly observational

630
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,279
abductive reasoning abductive and

631
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:57,039
abductive approach to

632
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,240
understanding

633
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,960
this phenomenon in the context of

634
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,799
sort of occam's razor what what's the

635
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,720
most parsimonious explanation and this

636
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,039
one seems to have the fewest assumptions

637
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,919
it also seems to explain

638
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,320
the most

639
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,559
i would say the majority of the things

640
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,960
associated with this but there are still

641
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,559
other areas where

642
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,640
it maybe doesn't explain certain things

643
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,279
so um yeah i mean i went into college

644
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,880
with the idea that

645
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,960
are they us and that's the main thing i

646
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,039
focused on as a paleoanthropologist is

647
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,200
looking at these long-term trends how we

648
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,880
got to where we are and if these carry

649
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,799
forward could we be them

650
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,960
um but never in the context of this is

651
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,799
right everything else is wrong or you

652
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,640
know i'm only looking for evidence for

653
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,440
this and some confirmation bias capacity

654
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,520
it was just it was the motivation for

655
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,840
doing it um and the more i learned about

656
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,760
it the more it seemed to make sense and

657
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,360
and and the same with this deep dive

658
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,440
into the abduction phenomenon and

659
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,480
contactee and experiencer's experience

660
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,320
says is

661
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,720
the more i go into these different

662
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,159
little rabbit holes i find they're all

663
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,600
connected and they lead me back to the

664
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,440
same place

665
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,679
you know i want to say actually to dr

666
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,200
masters and my colleagues in the

667
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,000
audience this happened within the the

668
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,720
last 48 hours and even within since the

669
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,720
start of the show but i come from the

670
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:18,320
hudson valley in new york i had a

671
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,279
sighting when i was about 14.

672
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,840
and yesterday james iandolli if you

673
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,200
don't know him from engaging the

674
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,080
phenomenon the host happy birthday james

675
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,559
by the way happy birthday turn 35 today

676
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,320
he said that he met a woman at a gas

677
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:34,880
station spoke about the hearings coming

678
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,240
up and she told him of seeing a craft

679
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,000
above indian point

680
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,480
so i happen to post on facebook that dr

681
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,799
masters was going to be on with us in 30

682
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,279
minutes and one of my classmates from

683
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,039
high school texted me

684
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,279
hey dave which is my real name david and

685
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,600
he's like hey dave man i never told him

686
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,480
about this but i had a sighting of a

687
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,799
triangular craft coming over my house

688
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:00,960
from over by indian point over the house

689
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,600
so this is so proliferant

690
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,520
so many people have had sightings i mean

691
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,120
that's a lot of what stephanie's mission

692
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,240
is there is to to destigmatize this and

693
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,679
and i just wanted to throw that out

694
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:14,000
there that there's no question there my

695
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:17,760
question for you is uh dr masters is

696
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,120
as when a craft it appears so in in

697
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,760
terms of a visual context if you if we

698
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,679
were looking up in the sky so this is

699
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,000
the beginning of an event in which your

700
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,960
hypothesis is built what does that look

701
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,000
like

702
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:34,799
uh when when a when a craft appears is

703
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:37,760
that a i've heard people uh talk about a

704
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,039
slit in the sky opening uh

705
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,880
how do you feel like that starts what

706
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,640
does that look like

707
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,159
well i mean

708
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,000
a lot of people describe different

709
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,320
things at night it can be a light moving

710
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:52,480
toward them or they see it come down

711
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,360
or it's a small thing moving and then

712
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,840
comes fast

713
00:27:02,870 --> 00:26:59,919
but a lot of times they just materialize

714
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,880
too they appear abruptly in the sky or

715
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,799
disappear whenever they finish doing

716
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,200
what they're doing which is another one

717
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,440
of those things that

718
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,360
this model helps explain because that's

719
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,120
exactly what we'd expect to see of a

720
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,360
time machine something that's moving in

721
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,760
and out of our four-dimensional frame of

722
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,960
reference

723
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,120
i i mentioned in the book i think that

724
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,200
if something suddenly disappears

725
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,200
from our three dimensions of space it

726
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,600
indicates it moved through the other the

727
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,360
only other known dimension of time the

728
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:31,840
fourth dimension so i think that that

729
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,919
sort of ethereal aspect of it the

730
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,080
materialization dematerialization being

731
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,480
able to move things through walls people

732
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,159
being able to abduct people through

733
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,399
walls and roofs i think a lot of that

734
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,720
can be explained in the context of the

735
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,480
the same technology that allows them to

736
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,039
manipulate space-time um also the

737
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,200
g-forces these instantaneous

738
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:53,919
accelerations and decelerations if if

739
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,880
they are manipulating space-time within

740
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,720
their little warp bubble what we see as

741
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,960
an ultra-fast acceleration may be very

742
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,200
slow to them it's just our frame of

743
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,720
reference is separate from their frame

744
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,799
of reference in the context of

745
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,039
of global space time so

746
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,360
um yeah i think the materialization

747
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,440
dematerialization which is very common i

748
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,399
did a content analysis of the new fork

749
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,399
data for one year and found that there

750
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,520
were something like 230 instances just

751
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,679
in that year of of this phenomenon where

752
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:25,760
they appear or disappear so

753
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,559
um

754
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,120
yeah it can they can show up in a lot of

755
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,720
different ways but i think the fact that

756
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,720
they do that relatively often is is

757
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,640
indicative of their ability to

758
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,880
manipulate space time

759
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,559
yeah i heard andy ask you a question

760
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,799
about the fighter jet they're watching

761
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,039
their fuel count and they're like oh wow

762
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:45,919
you know like i had 30 minutes of fuel

763
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,880
go off the you know i mean they uh fuel

764
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,559
on fighter jet aircraft it goes very

765
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:51,919
very quick i don't know what their

766
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,399
pounds per hour are is i know for us

767
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:56,000
would have been like 6 000 pounds an

768
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,919
hour i bet theirs is quite a bit higher

769
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,080
so and they usually have about an hour

770
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,000
and a half of a flight time depending

771
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,919
upon how much they use after burner so

772
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,760
five minutes is quite a bit and there

773
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,919
was uh i think it was former director of

774
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,000
the cia that said one of his pilot

775
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,480
friends was stopped in mid-air just

776
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,279
frozen air woolsey i think wolves

777
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,120
that's what it was james woolsey that

778
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,279
absolutely blew me away but dr masters

779
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,200
because debs isn't here nathan is going

780
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,520
to read one of her questions for her and

781
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:26,000
then he's going to ask his own question

782
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,279
yeah so

783
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:29,360
deb who isn't with us this evening her

784
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:32,880
tag is at study of ufp study of uaps uh

785
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:36,399
she asks uh what does the

786
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,159
everything is now concept mean to you

787
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,240
sounds like a block time

788
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,240
yeah it is it's

789
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,960
uh it's kind of an age-old debate in

790
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:49,600
physics and philosophy is as you have pr

791
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,480
presentists the presentism is this idea

792
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,159
that we only have now it's the only

793
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:56,000
thing that really exists

794
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,600
um

795
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,080
versus i just had the word in my mind a

796
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,279
second ago uh eternalists who feel that

797
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:05,919
more of a block time context where the

798
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,240
the future those nows are just as real

799
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,200
as this one is real's past nows and that

800
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,679
tends to be the more uh conventionally

801
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:16,000
understood way of of understanding time

802
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:17,279
and space

803
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,320
um

804
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:20,799
it's funny too because i think it gets

805
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,640
it this disconnect between our conscious

806
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,480
understanding of time or the way we

807
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:28,640
experience it versus

808
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,399
uh the physical time the the physics of

809
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,720
time if you want to call it that

810
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,559
where we can have these moments in block

811
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,039
time but we only know of our experience

812
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,600
in that moment and we share that moment

813
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,760
with others um

814
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,440
and we get a sense of like this

815
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:48,080
presidentist mentality even though it's

816
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:49,520
not a real thing it's kind of an

817
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,559
illusion

818
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,559
um just based on

819
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,440
probably the need and an evolved need to

820
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,919
exist in our environment in the context

821
00:31:02,590 --> 00:31:00,000
of what's happening around us at any

822
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,600
given speed and and i refer this as

823
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,120
biorelativity where you can see that

824
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,960
different animals have different rates

825
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,960
of living

826
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,399
you can even see with your dogs one of

827
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,320
the reasons they they live they don't

828
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,640
live as long as us is they live faster

829
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,240
but you can compare a barn swallow to a

830
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:18,640
sloth for instance and they they have

831
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,919
different lifespans they have different

832
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,880
heart rates they have different

833
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,720
metabolisms they experience time

834
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,840
differently

835
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,080
um but it's still just an aspect of

836
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,880
their consciousness or their um speaking

837
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,149
or their way of understanding or fitting

838
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,880
within the confines of their natural

839
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,640
environment and i think we've evolved a

840
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,440
sense of time that works for us uh maybe

841
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,519
not for the planet so well as i was

842
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,120
thinking about earlier today but it

843
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,440
works for us and we have a sense of now

844
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,919
even though it's it's really just

845
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,360
this kind of ephemeral thing that

846
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,640
doesn't exist um but yeah in the context

847
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,799
of now it feels like it's there same

848
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:58,240
with free will a lot of people ask me

849
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,679
about free will

850
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,760
which doesn't really exist in the true

851
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,360
sense of the word and block time but it

852
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,360
feels like it does so i've started

853
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,679
calling it feel will which makes me feel

854
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,240
better about the fact that i feel like

855
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,399
i'm making decisions even if it's not a

856
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,480
real a real thing

857
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:16,159
yeah i was going to ask you about that

858
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,000
uh so i guess related to this uh

859
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,640
meditation is a pretty hot topic uh

860
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,320
particularly when we're talking about

861
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:26,880
consciousness and um you know kind of

862
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,559
consciousness being uh fundamental and

863
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,200
those who meditate uh often are you know

864
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,640
kind of quieting

865
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,559
their perceptual

866
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,720
senses of the body

867
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:41,679
uh and is do you think that might be a

868
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:44,720
kind of modality that allows us to

869
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,440
uh change our experience of time time

870
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,039
seems to be at least as you just

871
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,360
articulated kind of

872
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,000
trapped with or or connected to this

873
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:56,559
perception that we have if we can sort

874
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,840
of turn those knobs down maybe we can

875
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,960
experience

876
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,120
time in a different way

877
00:33:07,389 --> 00:33:05,039
yeah i think it's almost about turning

878
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:07,399
off time disconnecting this

879
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,200
disassociative aspect of meditation of

880
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,159
ayahuasca psilocybin lsd

881
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,240
mdma to some extent

882
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,360
um it is really that that disassociation

883
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,000
between whatever time is and and really

884
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,240
within block time it's time less and i

885
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,480
think as we leave

886
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,880
our body behind we're essentially

887
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,200
entering this realm where you can move

888
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,760
freely throughout time

889
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,440
you have all these people that have

890
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:37,279
near-death experiences that talk about

891
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,799
this ultimate freedom where they can

892
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,960
move through time and space and and

893
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,039
experience these things that you just

894
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:45,039
can't with this this

895
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,720
fleshy meat bag that we got to carry

896
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,320
around for lack of a better way of

897
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,880
putting that i guess

898
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,640
that's another thing my wife caught i'm

899
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,830
but no i i think that that that's that's

900
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,320
real and and if you do meditate or you

901
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,720
you drop acid or whatever you experience

902
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,440
that you you leave behind that

903
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,919
that realm that we live in where it's

904
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,679
moment by moment i have to be at the

905
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,440
dentist at nine and then pick up the

906
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,240
kids at noon it's it's it's you know

907
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:16,159
much deeper than that where you you

908
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,679
experience a

909
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,240
timelessness that kind of frees you in

910
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,960
some way um but

911
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,800
you can't live there you know you can't

912
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,879
just stay in that that place you have to

913
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,879
exist in this world or

914
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:30,240
um

915
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,359
i don't know actually i don't know what

916
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:33,599
would happen you're dead maybe

917
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,879
yeah

918
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,560
do you like ascribe to kind of the

919
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:38,480
donald hoffman perspective then on kind

920
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,440
of the

921
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,359
you know sort of

922
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,280
the things that we see and experience

923
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,839
that's just our desktop you know it's

924
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,040
not really

925
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,879
it's the idealist

926
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,720
versus materialist

927
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,520
yeah i don't know it's a tricky one um

928
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:55,040
it's not something i gave a lot of

929
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,560
thought to i was always a staunch

930
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,880
materialist but i went to this

931
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,359
conference in houston uh

932
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,280
called opening the archives jeffrey

933
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:04,960
crabill put it on

934
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,599
a professor of philosophy and religious

935
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,920
studies at rice university and and it

936
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,680
was it was one of the most

937
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,520
mind-expanding

938
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:16,000
mind-blowing experiences of my life and

939
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,680
i was forced to think about many of

940
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,000
these things and in ways i never had

941
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,240
thinking about things i never had let

942
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:24,400
alone in different ways so

943
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,359
um

944
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,480
yeah i i have kind of been

945
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,200
in a state of ontological shock over the

946
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,200
last month trying to

947
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,520
wrap my head around one of our favorite

948
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,119
words i'm sorry go ahead it's on our

949
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,960
video yeah i know it's been it's been

950
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,960
really interesting and unfortunately a

951
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,119
lot of people shy away from

952
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,200
challenging their world view and and

953
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,839
though their way of understanding

954
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,920
uh the universe

955
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,760
which is a big part of this experience

956
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,760
people don't want ufos to be real they

957
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,200
don't want to have to think about that

958
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,520
and how they how it fits in with their

959
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:58,720
world view

960
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,599
um and and we we even have ways of just

961
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,680
shutting down conversations i learned a

962
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,599
new word the other day like

963
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,000
cognitive cliches or disassociative

964
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:09,599
cliche or something like that where you

965
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:10,640
say like

966
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,760
um you know it's in god's hands or

967
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,200
uh you know all these things it just

968
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,119
it's just one conversation it is what it

969
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:19,359
is yeah yeah i hate that that's so lazy

970
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,800
no because it's like well we could

971
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:23,119
explore this more no let's just not

972
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:24,320
explore that

973
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,280
anymore

974
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:27,200
it makes my brain hurt you know

975
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,480
and that's a big part of what we're

976
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,440
doing here too uh you mentioned

977
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,440
about stuff and i've i've been trying to

978
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,599
do the same thing as try to whittle away

979
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,920
the stigma so we can talk about these

980
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,160
things and and not just you know in an

981
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:41,920
interpersonal context i think it's great

982
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,880
when we

983
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,920
um

984
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,079
have people open up about their ufo

985
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,320
sighting or more intimate experiences

986
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,640
that they had and and i actually

987
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:52,480
dedicate this next book to the brave

988
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:53,839
people who do that because as someone

989
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,079
who's never had an experience

990
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,640
what how am i gonna how am i gonna study

991
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,560
this or understand or any of us can

992
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:02,160
understand it if we don't talk about it

993
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,599
so i think it's really important that we

994
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:05,440
whittle away that stigma so we can get

995
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,079
more information that allows us to go

996
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,240
deeper into this question and and find

997
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:13,040
more patterns and you know more ways of

998
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,000
of

999
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,160
trying to bring light to what is a very

1000
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,079
mysterious phenomenon

1001
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,320
and do you know how you honor dr michael

1002
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,880
masters when he comes on

1003
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,440
you wear two watches baby

1004
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:28,160
we got time for you guys all right i

1005
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:29,760
like it i don't know i don't even wear a

1006
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,280
lot well i mean doctor

1007
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,520
the view i had of you i'm gonna cry

1008
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,880
myself to bed

1009
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,359
um let's get uh let's get steph on then

1010
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,520
allison has something that she is just

1011
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,960
burning up so go ahead steph and then

1012
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,960
we'll get to allison please oh yeah well

1013
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,720
and i agree with you all so you know the

1014
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,960
more that people come forth with their

1015
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,400
testimonials

1016
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:52,880
they start evolving coming out of the

1017
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,520
woodwork and you know more people begin

1018
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,680
to speak and you know right now i'm

1019
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,760
getting them just on a you know a

1020
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:01,599
written testimonial

1021
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,640
and i plan on eventually revisiting each

1022
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,560
person and seeing if they're willing to

1023
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:08,880
come on camera because it does form as

1024
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,240
some sort of a therapeutic type you know

1025
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,400
session when you do talk about this

1026
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,240
thing that you've been stifled from for

1027
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,560
so many years that people would ridicule

1028
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,960
you for and now you know it's it's

1029
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:22,640
clearly in the news it's being

1030
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:25,520
actualized and um you know it will

1031
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,480
become normal eventually it is in our

1032
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,160
world because we all know

1033
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,480
but uh you know it's really it's really

1034
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,160
cool to see that people are just

1035
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,160
starting to get more comfortable with

1036
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,480
sharing and so thank you for doing what

1037
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,560
you do and dedicating your book to those

1038
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,320
people because they really truly are

1039
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,240
like they they're the heroes in my mind

1040
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,440
right now yes sam yeah thank you yeah

1041
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,359
and and and the other thing too is is

1042
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,680
with writing this book you know i feel

1043
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:53,359
kind of embarrassed in a way because i

1044
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,640
didn't really talk about abduction or

1045
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,520
contact-y experience as much

1046
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,560
um

1047
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,320
that obviously this next book is

1048
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:04,720
exclusively about that um

1049
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,440
but

1050
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,599
it's funny because

1051
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:09,119
there's there's so much you can learn

1052
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:10,079
from it

1053
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,599
and i feel like we're at a point now

1054
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,079
that it's a slow process where like yeah

1055
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,160
these videos are real okay ufos are real

1056
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,760
wait those are the same things people do

1057
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,040
when they're abducted why aren't we

1058
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,359
talking about that yet so and but in

1059
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:23,680
publishing this book i had i got

1060
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,359
inundated with people who many of whom

1061
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,040
actually were told that they are from

1062
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:30,800
the future they're time travelers from

1063
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,440
the future um who obviously that's

1064
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:35,040
sample bias because they reach out to me

1065
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,400
after having just published a book

1066
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:38,079
arguing that but it's still you know

1067
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,440
interesting to see that but all these

1068
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,520
other experiencers too

1069
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,200
who feel comfortable

1070
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,960
talking to me about i've had a number of

1071
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,720
them that say you know i was really

1072
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,200
angry my whole life i really hated that

1073
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,720
this happened to me but after reading

1074
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,880
your book and thinking well maybe these

1075
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,079
were humans

1076
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,920
it somehow made me feel better like it's

1077
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,760
like going to the doctor as opposed to

1078
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,839
these others coming from a different

1079
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,680
planet and doing these things to me so

1080
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,359
it kind of gave them a sense of

1081
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:06,240
acceptance or just something some way of

1082
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,000
understanding it that made more sense

1083
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,560
made them feel better but without that

1084
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,200
you know i i couldn't talk to them

1085
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,760
and you know maybe without

1086
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,000
any of us talking about it's just gonna

1087
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,839
always linger in the background but yeah

1088
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,760
i think it's high time we bring

1089
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,400
the experiencer aspect of the phenomenon

1090
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,160
right up there with the navy pilots and

1091
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:28,160
the videos and everything else we we

1092
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,280
should it's all part of the same

1093
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,040
phenomenon why the hell are we talking

1094
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,760
about that 100 i agree it's time for

1095
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,920
some vindication for everybody

1096
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,160
and yeah i agree especially those who

1097
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,800
had the most intimate type of encounter

1098
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,800
the closest type of encounter i mean

1099
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,480
seeing something from your cockpit's

1100
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,160
awesome and we need to talk about that

1101
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,640
too but if you're you're there laying on

1102
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:50,079
the table

1103
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:51,760
that's that's important

1104
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,560
sir i love hearing those narratives i

1105
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,079
really do when i hear

1106
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,720
uh any abduction like uh terry loveless

1107
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,880
story gave me chills i would love to

1108
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,119
have him on just because it's

1109
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,599
i mean you know calvin um i don't know

1110
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,280
if you guys remember the gentleman from

1111
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,839
the mississippi one uh calvin parker

1112
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,839
yeah calvin parker and his his obviously

1113
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:14,240
his colleague pastor wright charles

1114
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,440
dixon yeah that was one of the case

1115
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:18,400
studies i i examined in my new book

1116
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,440
yeah those these guys are hilarious i

1117
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,680
calvin parker was at uh he gave a talk

1118
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:26,720
at ufo conference i was at in phoenix i

1119
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,760
think it was really funny guy um but

1120
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,760
yeah it's really interesting case study

1121
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,760
all of them i mean they're

1122
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,520
you can learn so much from every single

1123
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,200
one and and i think what's most

1124
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,720
important is to recognize all the

1125
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:41,200
patterns too just all of the consistency

1126
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,560
across these and of course there's going

1127
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,839
to be variation there's going to be

1128
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,760
outliers with any

1129
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,160
phenomenon of any variety even within

1130
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,400
highly controlled experiments but

1131
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:52,960
um yeah the more we talk about it the

1132
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:55,760
more we learn

1133
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,079
before before i pass it to allison do

1134
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,000
you think the fact that i'm bald could

1135
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,079
be representative that i could be a more

1136
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,160
evolved intelligence

1137
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,680
yeah that's actually probably why they

1138
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,000
didn't take your sperm as they already

1139
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,920
they're already there man you're too far

1140
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,920
you're too far in the future all right

1141
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,480
they're like wait we got this you know

1142
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,839
yeah i know you should go make all the

1143
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,240
babies i have uh in my class i talk

1144
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:21,359
about how our our third molar stopped

1145
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,400
coming in

1146
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,079
uh some people just don't have it and

1147
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:26,160
only about 11 to 13 percent of the

1148
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,359
population doesn't have it and i always

1149
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,440
have people raise their hands to see in

1150
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,079
each class if that statistic holds and

1151
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,680
you know sometimes i'm like you all need

1152
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,040
to go make the babies because that's

1153
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,119
where we're going it's an increasing

1154
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,480
trend so yeah baldness no third molar

1155
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,720
get out there man get it done i can

1156
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,880
neither confirm or deny right now but i

1157
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,960
do have to pass it on to your academic

1158
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,319
colleague allison

1159
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,400
well i i want to give stephanie

1160
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,319
potentially in an opportunity i thought

1161
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,760
you were about to ask a follow-up did

1162
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,680
you have something you wanted to add on

1163
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,720
or

1164
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,880
you know no i'm good we're good it's a

1165
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,839
good segue thank you though yes uh okay

1166
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,200
so

1167
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,280
at the beginning of the interview you

1168
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:09,280
used the phrase that culture is becoming

1169
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,599
a larger drive of human evolution

1170
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,920
especially in the context of ufology

1171
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,400
becoming more mainstream that means it's

1172
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:20,960
going to have a greater

1173
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:23,440
traction culturally so could you say

1174
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,839
more about culture being a larger drive

1175
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,680
of human evolution and how that might be

1176
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,200
affected by

1177
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,150
yeah um well i mean you can go back to

1178
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:36,560
the first culture the first preservable

1179
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,520
culture uh because chimps use leaves of

1180
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,720
sponges sticks as anvils and hammers and

1181
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,560
things it's likely we've been using

1182
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:46,640
tools long before three million years

1183
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,599
ago

1184
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,200
they just don't preserve but once we

1185
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,880
started breaking rocks against each

1186
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,960
other to make tools it really changed

1187
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,720
our relationship with the environment

1188
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,119
where we're no longer just adapting or

1189
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,800
evolving to

1190
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,200
uh the natural environment but man-made

1191
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,880
environment so with stone tools

1192
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,359
specifically and also fire it help relax

1193
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,920
selective pressure for bigger teeth uh

1194
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:09,760
bigger chewing muscles so our face could

1195
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,560
get out of the way of a growing brain

1196
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,920
because we could cut our meat we could

1197
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:15,920
cook our meat and other foods

1198
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:19,520
so so many things like that um

1199
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,720
using dairy products we've evolved to

1200
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,640
continue producing lactase which breaks

1201
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,800
down lactose and milk and other dairy

1202
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,640
products so there's there's numerous

1203
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,359
things like that and the more we build

1204
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,520
these these cultural environments the

1205
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,160
more we're going to be adapting to those

1206
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,800
um so yeah looking into the future

1207
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,880
it's certainly likely that that will

1208
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,359
continue um

1209
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,000
how i don't know i can't give specifics

1210
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:47,760
but uh

1211
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,839
there seem to be some

1212
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,560
unstoppable trends the runaway brain is

1213
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,800
one uh it has gotten smaller of the last

1214
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,119
30 000 years mostly in association with

1215
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,040
reduction in body size

1216
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,640
um but there is indication that it will

1217
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,720
continue to not just expand but change

1218
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,640
shape mostly in the parietal lobes the

1219
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:08,720
frontal lobes moving out over the eyes

1220
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:09,960
and expanding

1221
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,040
mediolaterally uh facial retraction and

1222
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,560
again these are traits we see in the

1223
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:17,680
grays further down the road but yeah it

1224
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,560
with with the the cultural

1225
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,800
changes the cultural trends that's

1226
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,800
probably going to be just as important

1227
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,680
um

1228
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,599
but it's hard to tell

1229
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,839
how that contributes specifically

1230
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,520
so when you refer to culture you mean

1231
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,160
like specifically the tangible elements

1232
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,880
that culture produces having an effect

1233
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:38,880
not those

1234
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,680
more sort of unconscious cultural

1235
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:43,680
motivations

1236
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,960
well i don't know i think those are

1237
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,440
important too um

1238
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,599
especially in the context of one thing i

1239
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:51,200
was thinking about today i don't know if

1240
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,960
i can write about this

1241
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,920
uh

1242
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,160
but but it popped in my mind is is

1243
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,240
whether or not they use religion as some

1244
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,160
sort of litmus test to figure out if

1245
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,560
we're ready to understand

1246
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:04,319
who they are what they're doing here if

1247
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,920
they maybe interjected uh ideologies

1248
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,400
into the past and i'm i'm definitely not

1249
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,160
an ancient alienist or anything this is

1250
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,359
just sort of a brainstorm i had today

1251
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:18,240
if if maybe if we get past like that

1252
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,440
that cognitive shutdown of uh it's in

1253
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:23,200
god's hands or you know we start to

1254
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,720
think because a lot of religious

1255
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:26,400
ideologies just

1256
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:29,920
channel you into the same mentality and

1257
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:32,960
um oftentimes a mentality that ignores

1258
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,920
other things most things uh to be blunt

1259
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,640
and and i think if if that that would be

1260
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,240
a good litmus test and one thing that

1261
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,920
made me think about this i'm not just

1262
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,520
pulling this out of nowhere but there

1263
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,440
was a case that i talked about one of

1264
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,240
the first case studies in my my new book

1265
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,119
uh joan byrd also covered this one in in

1266
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:54,079
her book montana ufos uh where this guy

1267
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:55,599
uruguartana

1268
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:58,319
came across this this human who came out

1269
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,040
of a disc shaped craft uh right here in

1270
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:03,200
montana actually only about 60 miles

1271
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,400
from where i live

1272
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,560
walked up to him he said oh sorry didn't

1273
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,560
know anybody was here we try not to let

1274
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,440
people see us just needed some water for

1275
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,640
extracting hydrogen to power their ship

1276
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,640
and and he got a tour of the ship they

1277
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,079
showed him how everything worked with

1278
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,000
the electromagnetism these counter

1279
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,240
rotating flywheels and stuff

1280
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,359
answered every question he had except

1281
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,440
about religion he was like do you know

1282
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,599
about jesus and he said we we are not

1283
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,119
allowed to talk about that that was the

1284
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,680
only thing he shut down and i'm like

1285
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,520
that's telling you know that's really

1286
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:37,359
interesting and so i started thinking

1287
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:38,640
maybe

1288
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:43,200
post

1289
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,000
uh

1290
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,880
religious or not even religious but just

1291
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,280
having some way of um

1292
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:51,040
gauging whether or not we're ready for

1293
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,839
contact if that might be one of them

1294
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,800
um

1295
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,319
whether the extraterrestrial extra

1296
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,720
tempesture or whatever like i i don't

1297
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,960
know i i guess i was and also killing

1298
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,040
people religious people kill each other

1299
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,119
a lot if maybe you know they want to

1300
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,839
minimize our impact on their earth in

1301
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:09,040
the future

1302
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,559
here here's some religion here's some

1303
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:12,559
monotheism for you go kill each other

1304
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,760
and and destroy the earth slower um yeah

1305
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,880
i don't know there's been a lot of

1306
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:18,400
questions in my mind lately i'm just

1307
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,280
kind of

1308
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:20,800
throwing them out there for some reason

1309
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,960
probably shouldn't

1310
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,079
[Laughter]

1311
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,599
well i appreciate you making sort of a

1312
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:27,119
determination about what you would be

1313
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:28,480
willing to

1314
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,200
sort of like speak about just kind of

1315
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,520
riff yeah i know but i just thought

1316
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,599
about that too by speaking about it i'm

1317
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,079
also but i'm i'm not claiming anything

1318
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,240
either it's just sort of sharing ideas

1319
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:43,920
which is the whole point of this that's

1320
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,720
why we're here so yeah maybe we're here

1321
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,640
if it's not so bad that's why we're here

1322
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,640
monday nathan

1323
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:52,480
yeah well i'm gonna piggyback right on

1324
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,000
top of that then so uh yeah so my uh my

1325
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,160
understanding of evolutionary biology i

1326
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,880
think must be outdated so i

1327
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:02,160
maybe you can help me understand a

1328
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,440
little bit better

1329
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,040
uh

1330
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,400
but my sort of the way i was taught

1331
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:11,200
was that we're you know we're given sort

1332
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,599
of the genes that we have our dna is

1333
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:16,160
essentially kind of a fixed thing and if

1334
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:17,040
we

1335
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:23,359
procreate with passing that down to the

1336
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,480
next

1337
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,520
line uh that so the the assumption here

1338
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:29,040
is that there's very little change from

1339
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:30,559
the moment of birth to the moment of

1340
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,760
conception

1341
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,079
in that organism but from what i'm

1342
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,319
understanding in this conversation

1343
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,079
please correct me if i'm wrong

1344
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,520
is that not only does the environment

1345
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:44,240
impact our our kind of genetic uh

1346
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:45,520
expression

1347
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,240
but but even the our our cultural

1348
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,760
experiences

1349
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,400
have a potential impact on on our

1350
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:55,040
genetic expression and so that that to

1351
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,559
me helps explain

1352
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:58,960
what i was confused about earlier that

1353
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:02,079
if if we're not having uh if we're still

1354
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:03,599
able to just

1355
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,640
if if uh sexual selection basically

1356
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,880
isn't kind of cutting off

1357
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,960
uh you know people who have disabilities

1358
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,559
or whatever but and they're not able to

1359
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,599
procreate and i was i was not sure how

1360
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:17,040
we were going to get to the graves but

1361
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:18,480
it sounds like we get to the graves

1362
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,440
because of other factors that aren't the

1363
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,920
traditional you know you just can't have

1364
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:26,480
a baby or or the environment is so

1365
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,359
inhospitable that some strange mutation

1366
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,720
allows one

1367
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:32,880
genetic line to survive and there

1368
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:36,240
therefore procreate versus the other

1369
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:37,200
yeah i mean

1370
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:38,640
there's a lot

1371
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,119
one of the things is that it's not

1372
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,760
necessarily that we're evolving always

1373
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,839
we do in many cases but not that we're

1374
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,400
always evolving to cultural environments

1375
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,640
it's that by removing ourselves with

1376
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,119
culture from the natural environment

1377
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,880
there's other things that can happen you

1378
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,920
can have more

1379
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,240
genes that pop up that aren't being

1380
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,680
selected against that aren't being

1381
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:03,280
eliminated like we're talking about with

1382
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:04,160
vision

1383
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:05,280
earlier

1384
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,839
uh in a natural environment what i argue

1385
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,079
in my 2012 paper too is in a natural

1386
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,680
environment we wouldn't even have

1387
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,960
nearsightedness we wouldn't have

1388
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,040
astigmatism because we'd be weeded out

1389
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:17,839
of the population but making this buffer

1390
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:19,960
which is more in the lines of the

1391
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,720
self-domestication aspect of it as other

1392
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,400
things can pop up

1393
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,760
you can have

1394
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,760
one thing i talk about in this new book

1395
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,280
too which dovetails wealth jim

1396
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,559
peniston's

1397
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:32,960
situation and what he was told

1398
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,520
um during his rental shim encounter is

1399
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,720
that they're having problems with

1400
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,720
reproduction and i arrived at that

1401
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,640
conclusion completely independently i

1402
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,640
was getting ready to publish my book i

1403
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,119
was on a a podcast somebody said have

1404
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,760
you heard of jim peniston research that

1405
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:49,200
a little bit i'm like holy holy

1406
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,400
he's

1407
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,319
they told him that

1408
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,599
uh and i i had these reasons why that

1409
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,640
made sense as far as past trends again i

1410
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,559
try not to speculate too much about the

1411
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,960
future but based on past trends one of

1412
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,040
them being that through in vitro

1413
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,280
fertilization and all of these fertility

1414
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,440
therapies we're helping people that

1415
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,359
normally shouldn't be able to reproduce

1416
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,200
and i hate using that word it sounds

1417
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:15,920
insensitive but who wouldn't normally be

1418
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,559
able to naturally to still reproduce and

1419
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,559
put those genes into future generations

1420
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,480
and there's a number of other things too

1421
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,800
it's not just based on that

1422
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,440
but if that maybe contributes to along

1423
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,359
with genetic homogenization which i did

1424
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,079
talk about my first book contributes to

1425
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:34,079
of eventual difficulties with the one

1426
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:35,599
thing that matters

1427
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,319
in evolution the most reproduction

1428
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,839
it's the only thing that matters putting

1429
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,599
your genes into the next generation but

1430
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:43,680
if we have taken ourselves out of that

1431
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,640
relationship with nature to the extent

1432
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,839
that we

1433
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:49,599
have to create

1434
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:52,720
new babies we have to and and i also

1435
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:56,000
make a number of cases why exogenesis

1436
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,599
regardless of how you feel about in the

1437
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:59,520
context of you know growing the baby

1438
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:01,839
holding the baby could have a number of

1439
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,640
really beneficial impacts for for gender

1440
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,720
equality in the workplace and all of

1441
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:09,280
these other societal aspects of of the

1442
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,240
future

1443
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,079
that maybe

1444
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,319
is just the way we do it at that point

1445
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,079
the big head small hole problem which i

1446
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,240
talked a little bit about in my last

1447
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,920
book all of these things seem to

1448
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,200
indicate that at some point in the

1449
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,599
future we're just gonna have to manage

1450
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:25,040
our own reproduction because

1451
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:26,640
everything's sort of taking us in that

1452
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,359
direction where it's become so

1453
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,000
separated from the natural way of doing

1454
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:33,839
it that and and you know maybe even

1455
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,559
these reports of the the ultra grays the

1456
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:38,240
really short ones the big heads that

1457
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,520
don't even have external genitalia

1458
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,880
you know maybe we get to the point where

1459
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,319
we don't even need them which is a

1460
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,839
horrible thought but

1461
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:47,040
um

1462
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,079
i don't know

1463
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,000
there's there's clearly a focus on

1464
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,839
reproduction there's clearly clearly a

1465
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:53,440
focus on gametes

1466
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,599
that i think we need to focus on because

1467
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,920
it's it's so ubiquitous throughout these

1468
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,760
these these accounts

1469
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,440
i've been confused about that though

1470
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,280
because to me

1471
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,880
the advances that we've seen with our

1472
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,880
own genetic technology

1473
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,280
i guess i'm i just don't understand why

1474
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,280
we would be so advanced in

1475
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,960
in our uh

1476
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,720
you know sort of

1477
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,720
aerospace or physics understanding and

1478
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,240
just on the current trajectory that

1479
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,920
we're on with things like crispr like

1480
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,280
why we wouldn't be able to have a

1481
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,680
mastery over our biology but that's

1482
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,119
that's maybe part of the problem that's

1483
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,119
another thing i argue in two different

1484
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,599
sections of this new book is that this

1485
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,839
hubris that we get from that

1486
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:34,000
what if we screw something up you know

1487
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,680
one of the first cases there's a guy in

1488
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,599
prison right now in china because he

1489
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:40,079
tried to take the

1490
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:43,680
the ccr5 gene in these children these

1491
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,880
two twin children and and give them the

1492
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,880
ccr gene essentially which protects you

1493
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:50,880
against hiv it evolved during the black

1494
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:54,319
plague uh and imbues about one or two

1495
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,440
percent

1496
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,640
of europeans with with immunity to hiv

1497
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,640
and he wanted to put these this in these

1498
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,040
children which sounds great sure do that

1499
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,559
didn't tell anybody screwed the whole

1500
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:07,040
thing up now they have a heritable trait

1501
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:08,640
that never existed in the human

1502
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:11,200
population before right because he was

1503
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,559
trying to do something that he thought

1504
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,079
was good

1505
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,319
screwed it up what what if we do that

1506
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,079
with something else and these these

1507
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,319
genes even if it's a somatic cell

1508
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,799
characteristic they can still migrate

1509
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,119
into especially with crispr because it's

1510
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,200
not this all-knowing thing we create it

1511
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,200
we can screw something up it can do

1512
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,200
something we didn't expect it gets into

1513
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,680
a heritable characteristic

1514
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,119
what's that going to do maybe we do it

1515
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,440
to ourselves maybe maybe we sow the

1516
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,119
seeds of our own destruction it's not

1517
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,520
these natural processes it's something

1518
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,599
that we do that we screw up trying to

1519
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,760
make designer babies or cure some

1520
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,520
disease and then we create this

1521
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,680
situation that we can't go back from and

1522
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,200
all we can do is go back and sample

1523
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,960
gametes from the past before we screwed

1524
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:55,040
things up

1525
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,880
and there are parents that will do that

1526
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,640
they will try to

1527
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,640
uh genetically engineer their child to

1528
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,799
be perfect and be the most successful

1529
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,720
child on the planet as opposed to just

1530
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,720
imbuing them with their values and

1531
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,880
letting nature take its course

1532
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,280
yeah i wouldn't be surprised and right

1533
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,920
now it's illegal but it who knows what

1534
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,599
the future holds and there's always

1535
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,119
going to be rogue scientists like that

1536
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,599
dude in china that just do it anyway

1537
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,000
and oh i know like i was you know what i

1538
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,559
was thinking of rob i was thinking of uh

1539
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,480
david hansen enhancing robotics but

1540
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:28,079
that's a whole nother that's a whole

1541
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,000
nother matter to get into um but i um i

1542
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,079
was gonna mention to you about

1543
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:36,400
consciousness we we we were speaking

1544
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,599
about that and in our community

1545
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:41,599
there are a lot of people who talk about

1546
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,000
developing consciousness anjali who by

1547
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,400
the way uh asserts that those and not

1548
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,160
only her but other experiencers have

1549
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,240
said those smaller grays are not

1550
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,079
sentient like the taller ones so i don't

1551
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,640
know if you've heard that yeah i have um

1552
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,480
and and i kind of misspoke i caught

1553
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,160
myself as i was saying it but it almost

1554
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,480
seems like the taller ones are the more

1555
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,480
evolved kind of leaders of the whole

1556
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,640
operation and and some have even argued

1557
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,160
that the smaller ones seem to have

1558
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:08,400
robotic characteristics it could be ai

1559
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,599
as well

1560
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,760
the ones who picked up calvin parker and

1561
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,400
charles six and were definitely ai

1562
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,559
there's no doubt about that but the not

1563
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,640
all of the small grays

1564
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,559
are described that way

1565
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,720
but it is sometimes mentioned and you

1566
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:24,079
know if we're gonna make robots we're

1567
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:25,520
already doing it we're to make them in

1568
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,799
our image

1569
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,760
so

1570
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,599
the fact that they still look like us a

1571
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,960
little bit well they think you make them

1572
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,839
bigger

1573
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:33,440
if they're they're doing all of the

1574
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,960
abducting and stuff that's one of the

1575
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,559
things that makes me think that they're

1576
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,520
not robots is they're they're they're i

1577
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,520
i don't know i i'd expect like the rock

1578
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,160
or hulk hogan or something to come out

1579
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,280
you know with glow and red eyes

1580
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:50,160
well david hansen's enhancing robotics

1581
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:52,799
humanoid robots are scary looking but

1582
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:56,000
good but i don't know they should be

1583
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:57,599
i don't want to i don't want to go there

1584
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,799
right now but

1585
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,720
the the area of consciousness i was

1586
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:03,040
wanting to go with you is

1587
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,319
a lot of people in our community are

1588
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,240
trying to develop their consciousness to

1589
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:08,960
connect do you think that that that your

1590
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:11,839
consciousness can be developed to a

1591
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:15,280
point where you can be on plane with

1592
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,079
these more advanced intelligences do you

1593
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,160
think it's something you can develop or

1594
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:22,400
it's just you have and that's what you

1595
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,520
have

1596
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:26,000
uh the human brain is extremely

1597
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,200
malleable i think you can absolutely

1598
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,760
train your brain to do anything uh

1599
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,680
numerous studies i collaborate

1600
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,440
collaborated with the laboratory of

1601
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:36,960
neuroimaging

1602
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:39,760
at ucla medical school for a while

1603
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,079
um i think they're at usc now but there

1604
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,760
there was so much research coming out of

1605
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,319
there showing how taxi drivers musicians

1606
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,839
all of these people that use a very

1607
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:49,440
specific part of their brain they saw it

1608
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,400
grow

1609
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,200
in these functional mris and regular mri

1610
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,839
so the brain is definitely adaptable

1611
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,680
i i think though there is a disconnect

1612
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,000
between the brain and the mind i think

1613
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,880
some people innately have a strong mind

1614
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,640
but i definitely think you can develop

1615
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,799
that too um

1616
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:08,880
uh it's funny because i get asked about

1617
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,079
consciousness a lot i i study

1618
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:14,880
uh biological things mostly dead things

1619
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:17,680
um especially fossils but the ufo

1620
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,599
phenomenon takes you into all of these

1621
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,599
realms where you also have to consider

1622
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,520
this and that and everything else and

1623
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,520
consciousness is definitely one of those

1624
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,119
things because

1625
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,839
there does seem to be some sort of uh

1626
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:31,920
like what about dmt for instance the

1627
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:34,799
little beans the elf type beans that

1628
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,119
people see so commonly during their dmt

1629
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,880
experiences is that part of this

1630
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:40,799
phenomenon sometimes they describe

1631
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,040
things that could maybe be considered

1632
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:45,440
similar not that that explains all of it

1633
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,720
of course because most of these

1634
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,440
experiences have never even touched dmt

1635
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,119
or heard of it probably

1636
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,359
um but i don't know what what is the

1637
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,520
overlap there if there even is any i

1638
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,119
would love to explore that more because

1639
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,880
i think it's something we we should

1640
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:01,520
definitely be looking into as well

1641
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,680
yeah we had a guest come on that

1642
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,079
basically uh asserted to us that

1643
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:07,680
everything is consciousness it's all

1644
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:11,440
consciousness and i say well

1645
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:13,839
and i will say that consciousness didn't

1646
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:16,960
jam the f a 18's radar so no that's the

1647
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,559
thing i know and when people get off

1648
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,799
john keel and they're like no i mean

1649
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,640
it's all an illusion it's not all an

1650
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,200
illusion right yes some aspect of it is

1651
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:27,200
very much physical

1652
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:28,240
yeah

1653
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,799
but also but also not physical you know

1654
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:32,559
we can't just discount that because that

1655
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,599
is a part of this but this is a thing

1656
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,079
that the radiation poisoning people get

1657
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:40,000
the anal probes people get

1658
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,359
try to tell somebody that got something

1659
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,119
stuck up their butt that this isn't a

1660
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,760
physical thing consciousness man you

1661
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,040
were not

1662
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,520
the consciousness probe how does that

1663
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:51,280
make sense somebody stuck thoughts up

1664
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,119
your ass like no it's

1665
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:54,960
this this happened to them this is a

1666
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,440
real physical thing

1667
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,599
we need to acknowledge that we we also

1668
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,200
need to not acknowledge the the

1669
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,359
consciousness aspect and the weirdness

1670
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,920
of of these things and

1671
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,520
i don't know it all needs to be on the

1672
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,839
table it needs to be

1673
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,400
i totally agree i i love that

1674
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:14,160
you know in interacting with all these

1675
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,680
people that you see on the screen with

1676
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:17,839
you here and others that we've had on

1677
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,760
you know my knowledge of consciousness

1678
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:21,920
and and the hypotheses that have entered

1679
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,319
my mind including yours uh has broadened

1680
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,160
what i thought i knew

1681
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:30,640
about ufology so you know we're all

1682
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:33,040
learning uh but let me pass it over to

1683
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,240
my home girl steph

1684
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:38,079
thank you and actually perfect segway

1685
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:39,119
because

1686
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,000
i am noticing a trend from uap

1687
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,200
experiencers that soon after

1688
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,000
they experience they have

1689
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:50,799
witnessed paranormal and a quick example

1690
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:54,319
would be my brother-in-law he witnessed

1691
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:57,039
a green glowing orb

1692
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:00,240
flying down a dirt road in iowa around

1693
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:02,240
near some farmland

1694
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,640
didn't kick up any dirt

1695
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:06,000
which leads me to believe there's some

1696
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:07,520
electromagnetic

1697
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:09,839
something hovering to where it actually

1698
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,359
didn't kick up any dirt and i thought

1699
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:13,200
that that was a very important detail

1700
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,640
that he had mentioned

1701
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:16,559
he didn't think anything of it but as

1702
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:17,920
i'm collecting dead i'm going okay

1703
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,960
that's a very important detail now

1704
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,119
the thing flew through

1705
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,119
disappeared him and his brother both

1706
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,119
side okay

1707
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:29,280
i i believe what he was telling me was

1708
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,280
the truth you know he wasn't on any

1709
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:33,359
mind-altering drugs or anything such as

1710
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:36,400
that and soon after that

1711
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:37,839
he said

1712
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,200
i saw an image of my grandfather who had

1713
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:43,440
just recently passed in that same

1714
01:02:46,829 --> 01:02:46,000
location

1715
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,839
yeah

1716
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,359
exactly and again he didn't think

1717
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,280
anything of it but as i'm collecting

1718
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:53,440
data from these experiencers i'm

1719
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:56,079
noticing this trend that people are

1720
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:59,119
connecting this paranormal after

1721
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,799
witnessing uap

1722
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:03,280
yeah my sister had a similar situation

1723
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,240
but she heard our deceased uncle call

1724
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,400
her name and she was just a young girl

1725
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,640
and she doesn't believe she's she's not

1726
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,640
like one of us where we're you know

1727
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:14,319
we're in deep with all this stuff it's

1728
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:17,599
just a matter of fact this happened

1729
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:20,160
so i find that very interesting

1730
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:21,520
yeah i don't know i don't remember what

1731
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,200
they call them like hitchhikers or

1732
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,119
hijackers or something but people that

1733
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,520
go to skinwalker ranch and other places

1734
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:29,520
where a lot of these anomalies happen

1735
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,240
claim to bring that back with them

1736
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,319
where it and you know

1737
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,160
whether it opened a part of their brain

1738
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:37,920
or they see things they didn't see

1739
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:40,319
before or their it does actually follow

1740
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:41,839
people i don't know but

1741
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,319
uh yeah the orb thing is is interesting

1742
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,640
i've i've yet to talk about that in any

1743
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:48,559
of my writings but i definitely follow

1744
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:50,079
it and i think it's the ones with the

1745
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:52,799
cameras i mean those are just dust in

1746
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,920
your lens but the ones where people

1747
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:57,839
see this thing that moves in different

1748
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,400
ways uh ryan sprague actually talked

1749
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,480
about this in the beginning of his book

1750
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,640
uh quite a bit because what you just

1751
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,720
described is described by all of these

1752
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:08,720
same people in almost the exact same

1753
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:11,359
terms and then yeah associated with that

1754
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:13,839
is oftentimes telepathic communication

1755
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,039
or some sort of energy exchange or

1756
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:19,359
yeah moving in and out of time in

1757
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,680
different ways so it's it's an extremely

1758
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,520
common thing and and likely has

1759
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,359
something to do with the rest of this i

1760
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,359
don't know how it's connected but

1761
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:29,520
it seems to be similar at least in some

1762
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,079
ways yeah the the step the static

1763
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:34,720
electricity also is a very commonality a

1764
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:37,280
common finding i've experienced it

1765
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,799
myself with the electricity um

1766
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,559
you know

1767
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:45,039
i've gone through say a deep meditation

1768
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:46,000
also

1769
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:46,880
where

1770
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,240
i do have

1771
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,720
my intention where i actually put myself

1772
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:52,559
into this deep meditation

1773
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:55,119
and i have felt somewhat of say an aura

1774
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:57,280
around me you know and i don't know if

1775
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,319
that's like psychosomatic or if that's

1776
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,400
actually a physical thing that's

1777
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,799
occurring i you know i i

1778
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,880
i would like to dig deeper into that too

1779
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,559
but yeah i mean there

1780
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:10,880
the electricity is a big deal

1781
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:14,400
i think i think functional mris fmris

1782
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:17,039
should be way more used especially with

1783
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:18,880
experiencers people

1784
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:21,440
who have who have had like a grandma or

1785
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:23,920
a parent abducted who

1786
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:26,480
think they're hybrids who have all kinds

1787
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,359
of extra sensory abilities and and

1788
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,160
precognition and telepathy and

1789
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:34,319
we should be studying that and it's hard

1790
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:36,240
obviously it's very expensive to put

1791
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:38,400
someone in an fmri and you have to have

1792
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,079
a good study design or you're wasting

1793
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:42,880
your time doing that to see what is

1794
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,880
actually happening in the brains but

1795
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,799
who's gonna pay for that you know maybe

1796
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,400
robert bigelow but you're not gonna get

1797
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:50,720
the nsf to fund that

1798
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:52,640
exactly and that's where it becomes you

1799
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:55,280
know frustrating for people who have had

1800
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:57,119
these things happen to them they're just

1801
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:58,799
kind of telling their events well this

1802
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,640
happened to me well you don't you don't

1803
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,160
want it to just be left there on the

1804
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,640
table we need people such as yourself um

1805
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:06,960
you know that all of the scientists that

1806
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,680
are

1807
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:10,000
trying to research this further to

1808
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:11,039
actually

1809
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:13,920
you know re research the experiencers i

1810
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,400
know you know there's the pilot the

1811
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,200
pilots um i know gosh her name she's

1812
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,920
going to escape alex dietrich thank you

1813
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:23,599
she was just recently diagnosed with the

1814
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,390
i read that wrong in my audio book yeah

1815
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,880
oh that's okay we can go back that's

1816
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:34,880
true i can fix that it's audio you can

1817
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,359
overlay it that's true

1818
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:39,520
but she was just recently diagnosed with

1819
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:42,559
a low-grade breast cancer and she's just

1820
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,880
saying hey look just so you know this

1821
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:46,480
happened i don't know if it's a

1822
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,039
connection but fyi

1823
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:51,119
you know so there's

1824
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:52,720
there's a lot of things going on with

1825
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,680
this

1826
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:55,599
yeah

1827
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,359
attention to it and and i think it's i

1828
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,119
think it's inevitable i think it's going

1829
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,200
to happen organically it's slow and it's

1830
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:05,599
painful and it's frustrating but

1831
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:07,520
there there's there's certain questions

1832
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:09,440
that lead to other questions and as we

1833
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:10,799
answer those

1834
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:13,280
we start moving down this path and it

1835
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:14,799
doesn't you know you don't have to have

1836
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,960
precognition to see that it seems like

1837
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:19,440
an obvious trajectory and and i feel

1838
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,079
like just over the last four or five

1839
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:24,240
years even we've we've been moving down

1840
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,799
this path i think we'll eventually get

1841
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,400
to

1842
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,480
hopefully the the experiencers the

1843
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:32,720
people who who have the

1844
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:35,440
the deepest knowledge uh something it's

1845
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:37,599
i think it's also harder to convey and

1846
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:39,920
it's easier for people to dismiss

1847
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,559
outright that knee-jerk reaction with

1848
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,039
ufos even people still have that it's

1849
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:47,760
like actually we've kind of established

1850
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:49,760
in the global zeitgeist that this is

1851
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:51,760
real but then

1852
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:59,750
all right

1853
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:01,349
i'm chunking over here

1854
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,200
yeah it's really cool

1855
01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:05,680
it felt like they froze you because they

1856
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,000
didn't want you to to get out whatever

1857
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,480
that that was so they do that a lot yeah

1858
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:12,480
hey guys let me tell you man dr masters

1859
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:15,119
is here to educate and regulate so just

1860
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:17,040
hold up up there we're jamming your

1861
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:18,799
radar right now

1862
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,520
all right um allison

1863
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:23,520
thank you i feel like this is a good

1864
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,560
segue to my question given that you two

1865
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:28,400
just remarked that there is a lack of

1866
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:31,839
diagnostic testing on individuals

1867
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:34,480
um who are giving you their testimonials

1868
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:37,359
and since you come from a peer-reviewed

1869
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:38,719
background

1870
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:41,359
do you have any type of criteria as to

1871
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,560
what

1872
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:44,799
testimonials make it into your your

1873
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:47,359
published work and research and

1874
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,480
if not

1875
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:50,000
you know

1876
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:53,279
what is your perspective on that

1877
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:56,319
it yeah it's i'm still on right

1878
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,319
yeah just yeah junk dinner oh okay i

1879
01:09:01,349 --> 01:09:00,000
don't know if i was still

1880
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:01,359
still

1881
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:04,239
here or not um yeah that's it's so hard

1882
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:07,440
you know and it comes back to this idea

1883
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,080
of what we can consider evidence

1884
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:12,560
and and obviously you know

1885
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:14,799
what we're talking about isn't strict

1886
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,679
scientific evidence but it still

1887
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,920
would be admitted in a court of law it's

1888
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:21,839
eyewitness testimony

1889
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,040
it's observational data um

1890
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,600
we ideally we would have the same

1891
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:29,759
observer the same researcher going and

1892
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:31,600
watching all of these abductions happen

1893
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:33,199
and seeing what what takes place that

1894
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:35,600
would be sort of an ethnographic

1895
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:38,080
analysis we don't have that so we get

1896
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,839
different reports from different people

1897
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:41,440
who experience it differently and we

1898
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,080
have to account for that in assessing

1899
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,560
uh the merits of these accounts and how

1900
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:49,279
we can really

1901
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:53,120
identify any sort of uh

1902
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:54,719
i don't know it's it's it's a weird

1903
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:57,440
aspect of observational studies that

1904
01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:00,080
that i struggle with

1905
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,360
but

1906
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:03,679
i think we just need to re reframe the

1907
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:06,800
way we look at it we we can't just apply

1908
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:09,679
our standards of evidence to this

1909
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,239
phenomenon it just doesn't work

1910
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:14,080
does that mean we should ignore it no

1911
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:15,280
does that mean we should discount

1912
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:17,920
everything people say absolutely not but

1913
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:20,080
we need to reassess how

1914
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:21,840
we think about

1915
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:24,080
evidence in the context of this

1916
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:27,199
extremely mysterious but real thing

1917
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:30,000
so so i think we're sort of at this kind

1918
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:32,880
of there's this disconnect which

1919
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,360
exists innately with trying to

1920
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,840
understand something so complex and

1921
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:39,280
mysterious

1922
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,080
with the structure that we've laid

1923
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:44,640
in place for the scientific method and

1924
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,120
for scientific inquiry um i think

1925
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:49,440
there's definitely ways to do it but

1926
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,480
it's hard um to answer your questions

1927
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:54,560
specifically

1928
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:57,440
i i mostly look at a lot of the jail and

1929
01:11:02,149 --> 01:10:59,440
heineken stuff honestly like what what

1930
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,159
he used to assess the the

1931
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,640
the reliability of the witness the

1932
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,199
strangeness of the encounter

1933
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,440
but it's tricky too because if you look

1934
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,040
at how much it conforms to other

1935
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:13,920
accounts that's also imposing

1936
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,880
some sort of standard on it that may

1937
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,400
not let you look at other things that

1938
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:20,159
should be considered so that's what i

1939
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:22,159
mean when we're at this

1940
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:24,320
this place with with how we consider

1941
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,719
evidence is if it doesn't conform is it

1942
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,640
an outlier did it not happen are they

1943
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,000
lying or

1944
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,840
is it just a real thing that we don't

1945
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:33,600
have a way of understanding yet for

1946
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,600
various reasons so

1947
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,600
i i feel like i've talked around that

1948
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,360
question for five minutes without

1949
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:41,040
actually answering it but i just don't

1950
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:42,000
think

1951
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:47,440
we're all trying to figure that out

1952
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:49,679
well for me to take away from your

1953
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:52,640
answer that i really appreciate is it it

1954
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:54,320
does come about all in how we're

1955
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,520
couching

1956
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:57,280
um the terms

1957
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:58,960
as to whether we're referring to it as

1958
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,120
strict evidence or not and i think it's

1959
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,760
important for in conversation making a

1960
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,840
distinction of when we can be certain

1961
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,000
about something and when we just have to

1962
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:10,080
kind of put our hands up and and just

1963
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,159
simmer in the uncertainty and not worry

1964
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:14,880
about finding what is the truth yeah oh

1965
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:16,640
i like that simmer and the uncertainty

1966
01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:18,400
yeah give it up give it up for our

1967
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:20,840
college professors baby

1968
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:24,080
yeah and and i think that's that's kind

1969
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:25,440
of where we're at and that that was a

1970
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:28,080
big part of of jeff jeff crapple's

1971
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,000
conference in houston too is trying to

1972
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,080
find it he opened it with if if you're

1973
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:34,560
not confused you're not paying attention

1974
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,800
and that's so true with all of this

1975
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:38,960
there's just no way

1976
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:41,360
there's no way to know

1977
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,040
we i i think

1978
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:45,199
i think it's important to sizzle and

1979
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,080
uncertainty to some extent but also to

1980
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:50,800
try to still find some way of

1981
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:52,640
understanding and it's

1982
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:55,600
it's a fuzzy line but i i think you know

1983
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:57,040
going back to

1984
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,880
what we were talking about earlier with

1985
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:01,040
with steph the more we talk about this

1986
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:02,239
the more

1987
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,120
we could maybe start to direct what what

1988
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:07,280
makes sense and what doesn't but i i

1989
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:08,800
don't know i think it's going to take

1990
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:10,000
time

1991
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:11,360
you know what i think what we've learned

1992
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:13,840
from allison she's not using an instapot

1993
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:15,920
she used the word simmer i don't think

1994
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:17,679
she's coming home throwing a whole bunch

1995
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,480
of ingredients in i don't have one

1996
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:22,159
am i right allison are you using instant

1997
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,600
powder correct see that okay

1998
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,120
i've been wanting to get one for three

1999
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,600
years they're very affordable at this

2000
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,960
point i just still haven't pulled the

2001
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:32,800
trigger i don't know why i have the

2002
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:34,800
ninja and i love it i got a fricative

2003
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:36,000
last christmas

2004
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:36,960
uh

2005
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,920
anyway

2006
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:39,840
let's pass it over to money nathan

2007
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,400
before i get to my lou elizondo question

2008
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:44,480
uh or if nathan wants to pose in if he's

2009
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:45,840
got something else what whatever the

2010
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,920
case may be i'll let you take that one

2011
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,120
uh i think

2012
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:51,360
you know the last segment there i mean

2013
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:54,560
this does very much hit our epistemology

2014
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,600
right like

2015
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:57,840
what we can know how we know

2016
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,719
uh

2017
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,880
which which also applies to mathematics

2018
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:03,120
and physics too it's not just the ufo

2019
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,480
question

2020
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,480
yeah and it seems that we're actually

2021
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:08,560
like in so many of our disciplines now

2022
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:10,719
we're converging at this

2023
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:13,360
conclusion that the

2024
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,120
things that science has

2025
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,520
has provided to us have been amazing and

2026
01:14:20,709 --> 01:14:18,960
great and allow us to advance our

2027
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,719
knowledge but at the same time

2028
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:22,400
we're all kind of arriving at this place

2029
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:24,480
where it's like well how much can we

2030
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:26,239
know like what what are the limits of

2031
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,520
our knowledge

2032
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,840
and i think just as you are you know

2033
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,520
articulated we're

2034
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:33,600
we're struggling with how to

2035
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:36,880
kind of bring back into the uh equation

2036
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,760
human experience you know the laboratory

2037
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,600
of of of the world

2038
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,679
that we all you know kind of occupy

2039
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:45,679
every day you know it doesn't conform to

2040
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,159
the rules of an actual laboratory

2041
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:49,920
and and we've we've gotten to a place

2042
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:51,840
where we've kind of said well because we

2043
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,239
can't put that in a laboratory it's not

2044
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,080
actually real the only things that are

2045
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,239
real are the things that we can put in

2046
01:15:01,270 --> 01:15:00,400
under an electron microscope or that we

2047
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:01,280
can

2048
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,480
and i have to deal with that all the

2049
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,800
time as anthropologists we mostly do

2050
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:06,560
observational research because you can't

2051
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:08,560
experiment on humans

2052
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:10,880
right so we we we are uniquely

2053
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:13,440
positioned to understand that struggle i

2054
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:15,120
just want to interject that no i think

2055
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:16,719
that's great and and i was going to ask

2056
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:17,600
you

2057
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,520
rice university archives of the

2058
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:23,040
impossible i remember you tweeted that

2059
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:24,960
you something i'll paraphrase on the

2060
01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:26,080
effect that you were witnessing

2061
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,719
something historic take place yeah it

2062
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:30,320
felt like it for sure you know what is

2063
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:31,600
your takeaway there do you think that

2064
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,320
academia is really kind of now starting

2065
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,000
to take this a lot more seriously are

2066
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:38,320
you getting uh more connected with other

2067
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,840
colleagues and other disciplines that

2068
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,520
are really taking this seriously and

2069
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:42,960
interested in it

2070
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:45,679
yeah that's a great question um

2071
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:47,280
it's

2072
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:50,880
everybody i guess that there's the

2073
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:53,199
knee-jerk reactioners we need to start

2074
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,719
coming up with names for these people

2075
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:56,640
because there are categories there's the

2076
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:59,199
knee-jerk reactioners there's the just

2077
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,360
innately closed-minded people who have

2078
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:03,040
no interest in opening their minds at

2079
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:05,199
all there's ones that are sort of

2080
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:07,600
pericurious and and they want to kind of

2081
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,280
figure stuff out but they don't know

2082
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:11,040
where to start so it's overwhelming so

2083
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:12,400
they just don't

2084
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:13,360
um

2085
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,400
so within academia you do fortunately

2086
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:18,239
have a lot of people who are innately

2087
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,600
curious

2088
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:21,360
which i think is one of the reasons why

2089
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:23,920
the reception has been overwhelmingly

2090
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,560
positive you also still have very

2091
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:28,400
dogmatic people and especially when it

2092
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:31,440
comes to anything that has been tainted

2093
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:33,360
to the extent that it has

2094
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,400
uh especially with ancient aliens and

2095
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,320
and other things they're just so easy to

2096
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:40,480
throw fire at they look what they're

2097
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:43,440
saying no it's all crazy and so i i know

2098
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:45,120
those people too and i think they're

2099
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,280
doing themselves and

2100
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,080
our entire field of disservice by just

2101
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:52,159
taking that and stereotyping everything

2102
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:53,760
else that's happening

2103
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,800
um

2104
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,400
but but yeah i think

2105
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:58,320
there is also

2106
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,840
coming back to what we were just talking

2107
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,600
about this issue of well if we can't

2108
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:03,600
test it in a lab why are we even talking

2109
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:05,600
about it's not scientific and that's not

2110
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:07,760
true i deal with this in my classes

2111
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:10,640
all the time is you just can't say cause

2112
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,960
and effect with experimental studies

2113
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,640
that take place in a lab you have

2114
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:16,800
controls you control for every other

2115
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:19,760
factor but you can't do that with

2116
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,920
observational studies and that's fine it

2117
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:23,760
doesn't mean that it's any less relevant

2118
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:26,560
or you can't learn anything more from it

2119
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,440
it just means you can't say a causes b

2120
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:31,520
but you can still

2121
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:34,400
test hypotheses you can still use the

2122
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:35,520
the same

2123
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,400
alpha values and rigor of scientific

2124
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,159
methods you just have to ask the

2125
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:42,239
questions differently and approach the

2126
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:43,840
subject differently but if you're in the

2127
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:46,159
mindset that this all needs to happen in

2128
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:48,000
a laboratory environment

2129
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:49,440
that's not going to happen that's not

2130
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:51,199
how ufos work

2131
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,120
so so either you say all right i'm

2132
01:17:57,910 --> 01:17:55,520
getting off this boat i'm taking the

2133
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:57,920
exit on this highway or you say let's

2134
01:18:01,669 --> 01:18:00,080
reimagine the way we understand this and

2135
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:01,679
the way we study it and there's so many

2136
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,840
people doing that and and it's so good

2137
01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:05,760
to see um and i think that's just going

2138
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:07,679
to continue especially as more people

2139
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:09,199
see that more people are doing it

2140
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:10,560
there's there's going to be traction

2141
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:12,159
there's going to be sort of this

2142
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,840
critical mass that happens and we'll

2143
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,080
eventually get to the point where

2144
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:18,159
you have a lot of people who feel free

2145
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,640
to use their their resources maybe even

2146
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:22,320
lab resources

2147
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:23,040
to

2148
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:24,480
investigate this in ways we hadn't

2149
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,159
thought of before and i think it's only

2150
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:28,000
gonna kind of move us further down the

2151
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,080
road

2152
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,880
yes uh and by the way i i was but i

2153
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,159
should have been there with you they

2154
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:36,400
said that my invitation to that event at

2155
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,750
it was probably the same aliens that

2156
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:46,159
wouldn't let you ejaculate in a cup man

2157
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:49,199
they're like they probably like shut you

2158
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:51,040
down left and right dude

2159
01:18:54,740 --> 01:18:52,800
i'm sorry man

2160
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:54,750
they intercepted my mail

2161
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:56,560
[Music]

2162
01:19:02,070 --> 01:18:59,360
oh i'm sorry um

2163
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:02,080
i wanted to

2164
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:06,400
ask you about uh the the the dna aspect

2165
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:08,800
we talked about um andy asked you about

2166
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:11,199
the louis lozando hypothesis about dna

2167
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:15,520
manipulation possibly 70 000 years ago

2168
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:17,920
and you at that time had not heard about

2169
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:20,719
that hypothesis and that's when uh i

2170
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:23,040
think he's ascribing to the missing link

2171
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:25,280
or something of that nature and what i

2172
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:28,000
wanted to ask you is do you think

2173
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:30,159
in all of the narratives that you've

2174
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:32,080
heard in your study

2175
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:34,159
that um

2176
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:36,880
perhaps uh maybe disease could have been

2177
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:37,760
uh

2178
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:39,120
interjected in

2179
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:41,280
something like that um

2180
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:44,159
you know that uh our dna uh may have

2181
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:46,719
been manipulated for cause

2182
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:49,600
do you think that's a possibility

2183
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:52,640
i mean it's always a possibility i

2184
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:55,520
i don't necessarily know

2185
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,520
why or

2186
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:59,280
obviously how

2187
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:02,320
is is easy because they're here now

2188
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,480
if they can go back to 70 000 years

2189
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,080
which seems like uh

2190
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:08,000
probably the upper limit if that's

2191
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:09,520
happening i would guess it's our very

2192
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:12,000
distant uh descendants but

2193
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:14,480
but the bigger issue is is what's the

2194
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:15,760
end game

2195
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:18,719
why do it or if it were in block time

2196
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:20,639
everything they're doing they've already

2197
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,199
done and any effects of that

2198
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:25,360
are already being realized in their time

2199
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:26,320
so

2200
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:28,000
there there has to be

2201
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,199
if if that if that is a real thing and

2202
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,440
they are doing that

2203
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:35,440
it would indicate that there's some

2204
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,199
other outcome they're trying to achieve

2205
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:39,360
which would be more in the mini world's

2206
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:40,880
interpretation

2207
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:42,800
where there's different timelines and

2208
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:44,800
some other outcome that they're hoping

2209
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:46,639
to accomplish or the simulation

2210
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,560
hypothesis works with that too if

2211
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:50,159
they're they have to come into this

2212
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,159
simulation to physically do something to

2213
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:54,719
see what the effect is it would also fit

2214
01:21:00,750 --> 01:20:57,760
well within that paradigm so

2215
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:00,760
i i don't know as as a staunch block

2216
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:04,239
universeist versalist i it's hard for me

2217
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,840
to really jump on board with something

2218
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,520
like that but

2219
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:09,360
who knows everything's on the table

2220
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:12,400
nobody knows so yeah if if there's a

2221
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:14,000
reason to pursue that we should pursue

2222
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,719
it

2223
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,480
and and there's two things i'm going to

2224
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:18,320
turn it over to steph for her question

2225
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:19,120
but

2226
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:20,159
the

2227
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:28,400
sort of eco

2228
01:21:32,950 --> 01:21:30,159
sort of aspect to this that they could

2229
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:32,960
be looking at that could be concerning

2230
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,360
if they are able to extract uh energy

2231
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:37,360
from in the wa from the water in a way

2232
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,639
that that scientifically we have not

2233
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,000
yeah and it's funny you mentioned that

2234
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,480
too because uh with this particular case

2235
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:46,480
it was up confederate gulch which is

2236
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:47,840
just

2237
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,320
outside of helena here in montana and

2238
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:58,960
and when they came down udo ortina asked

2239
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:00,960
why why don't you just go to the lake to

2240
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:02,880
get your water

2241
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:04,880
you know

2242
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:07,760
yeah it makes sense

2243
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:09,920
this is this cleaner water and you know

2244
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:12,080
there's algae there's human pollutants

2245
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,520
especially back then when everybody's

2246
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:15,760
mining and smelting and everything

2247
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,960
um but it was also out of the way again

2248
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,320
they were trying not to be seen they

2249
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,320
didn't know he was there he was behind a

2250
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:24,800
rock working on some other area and

2251
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,560
happened to hear that humming noise they

2252
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:28,159
make and walked around and saw this

2253
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:30,880
thing they came out and said hey sorry

2254
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:33,040
um but yeah they specifically mentioned

2255
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:34,320
that too and

2256
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,520
in another case that that happened

2257
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:39,120
around this area as they were studying

2258
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:41,040
grasshoppers and they would come back to

2259
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,480
the same place and they would take

2260
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:44,239
grasshoppers and they would study them

2261
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:46,800
and it indicates some sort of ecological

2262
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:49,360
focus too and so often across these

2263
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,960
accounts it's about the earth take care

2264
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,560
of the earth take care of the earth

2265
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:54,480
there's there's very much something

2266
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:56,320
about this planet that's important to

2267
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,000
them which you would expect more of

2268
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:01,120
people who inherit this planet from us

2269
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:02,960
uh my editor

2270
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,440
made me take out a part in my book and

2271
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,679
instance we're just exchanging ideas and

2272
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:09,360
and this is fine

2273
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:11,120
uh it was something like if two people

2274
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,360
are doing the green apple quick step all

2275
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:15,120
you can hope for is that you're the

2276
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,360
first one to go and the other person

2277
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:19,440
doesn't leave a mess behind them when

2278
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:21,360
they leave and and that's probably how

2279
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,920
they see us is that we're making this

2280
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,600
giant mess and i think that's the focus

2281
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:27,600
on the nukes too because that's a mess

2282
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,280
that can't be cleaned up easily for many

2283
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:33,199
many generations so

2284
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:35,520
so it seems like yeah the focus on this

2285
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:37,360
planet the focus on the ecology the

2286
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,840
focus on nukes really indicates that

2287
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,440
they're about to inherit this planet

2288
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:43,360
their stakeholders in the future of this

2289
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:44,719
planet

2290
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:47,199
and no i i certainly would think i mean

2291
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:49,280
their their actions would indicate that

2292
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:51,600
as as i see the foosball table in the

2293
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:53,920
back i'm wondering could i take on dr

2294
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,159
michael masters and foosball

2295
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:58,719
and rekindle some of my past

2296
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:00,880
probably not no all right your boss

2297
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:03,600
miserably

2298
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:05,679
just because you have the soccer haircut

2299
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:08,960
anyway um i was watching lasso last

2300
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:10,400
night i was like i think i could pull

2301
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:11,520
that up

2302
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,040
apparently you have

2303
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:15,679
um do these hominids do they consume

2304
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:17,520
food

2305
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,830
i don't know and

2306
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:23,760
in a couple reports they have kitchens

2307
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,199
but i can't think of any

2308
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:29,600
anybody like having a meal or anything i

2309
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:31,760
don't know that's a good question

2310
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:33,760
i love doing these because i i still get

2311
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:35,199
asked questions that i never thought

2312
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:36,400
about

2313
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:40,159
um yeah i don't know thought provocative

2314
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:42,000
that's why you're here

2315
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:43,760
all right we only have uh six minutes

2316
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,400
left

2317
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:47,280
uh let's get stephanie in for her uh her

2318
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:48,960
question and then we'll start

2319
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,600
the the process of saying goodbye and

2320
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,600
inviting you back for round two

2321
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:55,440
yeah i definitely need more than six

2322
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,000
minutes so next time we're gonna have to

2323
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:00,800
dive down deeper down the rabbit hole so

2324
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,360
my my mother just so you do know

2325
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:05,760
so you connect all this together she did

2326
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,320
say that they had witnessed a craft

2327
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,639
prior to the one that we saw so there is

2328
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,960
potential that it did revisit her which

2329
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,880
leads me to believe

2330
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,800
did they do something to her

2331
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,960
intern come back to check on her and

2332
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,320
then maybe potentially want to do

2333
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,560
something to us you know children in her

2334
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:25,199
no idea just planting that seed because

2335
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:27,120
it is something that's been in the back

2336
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,320
of my mind

2337
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:30,480
and that is common i mean so many so

2338
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:33,360
many people who who have been abducted

2339
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:35,360
aren't just abducted once they're

2340
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:36,880
abducted throughout their lives and

2341
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:39,760
often times with family members um even

2342
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,719
from a very young age uh it's a very

2343
01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:45,360
common theme throughout this new book um

2344
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,719
it's cool

2345
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,400
and it you know it's something somebody

2346
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:50,880
expressed to me the very first ufo talk

2347
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:52,719
i did was at the mufon

2348
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:55,120
50th anniversary symposium a few years

2349
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:55,920
ago

2350
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:57,679
and the first person the first

2351
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:59,840
experiencer i ever had the experience of

2352
01:26:03,669 --> 01:26:00,800
meeting

2353
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,679
said uh that that same thing that's been

2354
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,080
her whole family for generations

2355
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:09,199
they've they've taken each member from

2356
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:11,199
from this family and again it indicates

2357
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:13,840
a focus on not just gametes but specific

2358
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:15,040
ones that

2359
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:17,920
uh seem to do something for them like

2360
01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:20,239
it's easy when when when you talk about

2361
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,639
um reproduction and and hybrids and

2362
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,800
whatnot that they're doing something to

2363
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:27,440
us that they're manipulating us but it

2364
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:28,719
really seems like they're doing it for

2365
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:31,040
themselves there's something about our

2366
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:32,080
genes

2367
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:33,520
that help them

2368
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:35,440
yep with whatever problems they're

2369
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,960
having

2370
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,560
and that's what i was thinking also is

2371
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:40,639
are they extracting our eggs so that

2372
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,520
they can do a hybrid of themselves

2373
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:45,120
you know i mean that's crossed my mind

2374
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:46,800
many times so

2375
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:48,719
something to think about later

2376
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,199
again we could go we could go for a few

2377
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,600
hours here talking about this so i've

2378
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:55,440
said on this show many times because i

2379
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:57,120
don't have a scientific background to

2380
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,600
draw on to really develop theories in

2381
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,360
that way but i'll look at common sense

2382
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:03,600
things like nathan knows by now how my

2383
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,000
brain works um and i've said they see a

2384
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,719
relative value in our dna i don't know

2385
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:12,239
what that value is

2386
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,239
but they clearly find a value in it

2387
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:18,400
yeah that's the most i mean patterns

2388
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:20,719
tell stories and that's the most

2389
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:23,280
recurring pattern in all of this is the

2390
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,719
gametes there

2391
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,800
there's something about reproduction

2392
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:29,040
there's something about our genes that

2393
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:30,239
are important to them and the fact that

2394
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:31,920
they told jim penniston that he didn't

2395
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,560
have a a long however we perceived time

2396
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,320
time was different in that sphere of

2397
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:38,639
influence as he calls it but there's

2398
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:40,960
there's clearly something about

2399
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,159
genes that help them and they said that

2400
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:46,320
they said that straight up right

2401
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:48,960
patterns are facts and facts are data so

2402
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:53,040
yeah look at that man hear that girl

2403
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:54,880
i want to say this about football i used

2404
01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:57,440
to d i used to deploy to these joint

2405
01:28:02,070 --> 01:27:59,920
bases and i'd get together with another

2406
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,080
pair rescue guy and we would start to

2407
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:04,080
really get work on our foosball and

2408
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:05,600
start to wreck shop

2409
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,880
right until the french guys came over

2410
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:10,880
and when the french guys came over the

2411
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:13,040
to the foosball table we could not

2412
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:14,880
defend those guys and they ran us off

2413
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:16,880
man but it was it's the same when you

2414
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:18,960
play them in real soccer too as it turns

2415
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,239
out sure

2416
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,560
yeah no i did a dig in southern france

2417
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:24,480
and we would square off the boners

2418
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,440
versus the stoners because that was a a

2419
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:29,760
paleo guy would do the bones i talk

2420
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:32,080
about this in my new book too

2421
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:34,000
the editor didn't make me take this part

2422
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,600
out but then we would square off against

2423
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:37,679
the stoners who did olympic tools and

2424
01:28:41,830 --> 01:28:40,159
stuff and we we had some epic matches

2425
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:41,840
but the the french are very good at

2426
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:45,040
anything football related it's amazing

2427
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,719
that's what i love about soccer is it

2428
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:49,199
really brings the people under like why

2429
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:50,800
i love the world cup it just brings the

2430
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:53,040
world together yeah one sport it's

2431
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,480
beautiful

2432
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:56,639
it's wonderful i had to leave i was in

2433
01:29:02,149 --> 01:28:59,760
uh paris in 1998 the year the french won

2434
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:02,159
the world cup and i left two days before

2435
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,239
they won the damn thing

2436
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:06,320
i'm at home watching this party on the

2437
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:09,199
champions league oh i should be there

2438
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:11,679
why didn't i just delay my flight

2439
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,159
i was there for i've been there for two

2440
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:16,800
tour de france finishes too uh just

2441
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,480
randomly i don't even know how that

2442
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:20,159
happened but i'm a big tour de france

2443
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,480
fan too love that and yeah that was the

2444
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:25,360
big world cup for zidane and thierry

2445
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:27,199
henry i believe yeah i actually

2446
01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:28,800
predicted go back and check my damn

2447
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:30,639
facebook if you don't believe me but i

2448
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:32,960
predicted that france would win the last

2449
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:35,520
world cup the very first game

2450
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:37,120
nathan let's let's go back and check

2451
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:38,800
this because i don't this guy looks a

2452
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:40,880
little uh i don't know a little sketchy

2453
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:42,400
raising some questions for me like he's

2454
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,639
got the biff tanner sports almanac in

2455
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,400
the back

2456
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:48,960
dr masters i'll tell you what man it was

2457
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,520
an absolute blast having you on man yeah

2458
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:54,000
that was fun uh appreciate the invites

2459
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,760
great chat with oil

2460
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,800
thank you

2461
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:58,800
looking forward to your book yeah

2462
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:00,480
it should be soon actually i think it'll

2463
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:03,120
be june 1st just a couple weeks so yeah

2464
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:05,520
it's it's in the last it's in its last

2465
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:07,920
throws what's the title at this point

2466
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:09,440
yeah thank you yeah it's called the

2467
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:12,159
extra tempestrial model and and like

2468
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:14,000
i've been saying it it looks more at the

2469
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:15,280
abduction

2470
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:17,199
aspect of the phenomenon because i do

2471
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:19,280
think it's time to to really talk about

2472
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,639
that

2473
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:23,280
i love it man i can't yeah so when when

2474
01:30:27,750 --> 01:30:25,600
that book you know at some point when

2475
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:27,760
you have time uh and you want to start

2476
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:29,040
going on shows because we don't want to

2477
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:31,280
like bug people to come back although

2478
01:30:34,390 --> 01:30:33,360
pretty much everybody who's come on once

2479
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:34,400
comes back

2480
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:36,000
at some point and they sort of become

2481
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:38,000
part of the cab fam we would love to

2482
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:39,600
have you on to talk about that book

2483
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:41,280
because i know there's

2484
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:43,600
i i have more questions deb our

2485
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:46,239
researcher had questions and right now

2486
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:48,000
she's probably at the wedding glaring at

2487
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:49,840
people she's typing an email to you

2488
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,350
you know it's funny like i just i i try

2489
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:58,159
to read the audiobook before i format it

2490
01:31:01,669 --> 01:31:00,239
just to make sure you know catch any

2491
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:01,679
errors that you only catch if you're

2492
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:04,239
reading it and i was reading through it

2493
01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:07,120
thinking about how i can't wait to talk

2494
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:10,000
to people about it on shows like this

2495
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:12,080
once they've read it you know like to

2496
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:13,920
have have conversations and a lot of

2497
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:15,760
stuff's been coming up organically even

2498
01:31:21,669 --> 01:31:18,560
before it's out um i did an interview

2499
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:21,679
with sovie co visionaries i think from

2500
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:24,080
russian television and she was asking me

2501
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:26,800
all these questions that were exactly

2502
01:31:30,870 --> 01:31:28,880
what the book was about the new one in

2503
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:30,880
the same order and i'm like did you like

2504
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:33,600
sneak into my computer and read this

2505
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:35,120
book like but i think that's just

2506
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:36,880
happening naturally like we're like i

2507
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:38,880
said we're kind of just as we answer

2508
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:40,960
some questions we're asking more and it

2509
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:42,560
seems like we're kind of going in that

2510
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:44,880
direction of somebody a

2511
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:47,120
a journalist in a different country was

2512
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:48,080
even

2513
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:50,000
asking things that just

2514
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:52,320
took it to that place it was great um so

2515
01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:53,679
yeah i'm excited i'm excited to talk

2516
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:55,600
about my long story short happy to come

2517
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:58,159
back on awesome yeah she may have remote

2518
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:59,199
viewed you

2519
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:01,679
not i'm not saying that she did but

2520
01:32:05,669 --> 01:32:04,159
um but yeah we'll we'll have you back on

2521
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:05,679
uh for that

2522
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:06,880
um

2523
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:08,560
and yeah we'll we'll kick that around

2524
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:10,159
you i think you just sold like let's say

2525
01:32:14,470 --> 01:32:12,480
one two three four books right here and

2526
01:32:16,629 --> 01:32:14,480
that doesn't include deb and and our

2527
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:16,639
humorous kevin who you missed because he

2528
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:17,520
would have

2529
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:22,239
man he's so and he's also loves to look

2530
01:32:26,790 --> 01:32:24,719
at the uap phenomenon through historical

2531
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:26,800
perspective particularly ancient history

2532
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:29,520
so yeah yeah uh and i'm i'm a history

2533
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:30,960
major it's just that i'm a meathead so

2534
01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:32,880
we just never got there

2535
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:36,000
but anyway on behalf of on behalf of

2536
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:38,000
allison and money nathan and steph this

2537
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:40,719
is dj and saying goodbye dr masters

2538
01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:43,360
thank you peace out one love and we'll

2539
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:45,280
see you down the road we're always

2540
01:32:56,580 --> 01:32:47,679
wondering what's up around the bend